Ticket #7314 (closed: fixed)

Opened 7 years ago

Last modified 5 years ago

Using 4m TRANS to reduce 12m SANS

Reported by: Anders Markvardsen Owned by: Gesner Passos
Priority: major Milestone: Release 2.6
Component: SANS Keywords:
Cc: stephen.king@… Blocked By:
Blocking: Tester: Anders Markvardsen

Description (last modified by Nick Draper) (diff)

Answer to Steve's question below

I had some Users last week on SANS2D who needed to run at 12m, so the count rates were very low. In addition, the divergence of the scattered neutrons means that transmissions measured on the beamstop M4 at 12m are unreliable, so current practice is to do separate M3 transmissions at 12m. This eats up valuable measuring time.

I wondered whether we could quickly blast the transmissions out at 4m using M4 and then use those transmissions to reduce the 12m data.

In principle this should be ok, but I think something funny is going on in Mantid. See attached.

When I calculate a 4m M4 transmission when the sample scattering run is at 12m I get a slightly different answer to when I calculate the SAME 4m M4 transmission when the sample scattering run is also 4m.

Attachments

Using_4m_M4_TRANS_with_12m_SANS.pdf (429.9 KB) - added by Anders Markvardsen 7 years ago.
transmission_calculations.png (79.1 KB) - added by Gesner Passos 7 years ago.
trans_position_corrected.png (31.6 KB) - added by Gesner Passos 7 years ago.

Change History

Changed 7 years ago by Anders Markvardsen

comment:1 Changed 7 years ago by Gesner Passos

  • Status changed from new to accepted

Changed 7 years ago by Gesner Passos

comment:2 Changed 7 years ago by Gesner Passos

Summarizing the issue. If you select any of the masks presented by Stephen and apply the reduction for the run (Sample = 18617; Trans = 18617; Direct = 18618). After, you can just change the Sample to 18783. The transmission workspace changes its value.

It should not, because, the transmission depends only on Trans and Direct, and not on the Sample.

It was found that the reason for this was the assumption that the Z position of the Detector is always the same for the Sample, Trans and Direct (The value is the Rear_Det_Z inside the file).

This caused the transmission calculation to depend on the position of the Rear Detector on the Sample experiment. So, the sample was first at 12m but the Trans was at 4m. So, the monitor position is set differently from the two calculations which caused the difference on the calculated transmission.

As it is implemented right now, there are some values:

  • Front_Det_Z
  • Front_Det_X
  • Front_Det_Rot
  • Rear_Det_Z
  • Rear_Det_X

which are read just once for the Sample, and it is kept inside the SANS2D(ISISInstrument) as its attribute. When the move_components (method) is called, it will use those values to define where to move the components.

In order to solve this issue, it is necessary to allow these values to be read from the workspace itself, before moving the components.

comment:3 Changed 7 years ago by Gesner Passos

Allow the move_components to read the values from the workspace info

Before moving the components, the SANS2D(ISISInstrument) will read some values from the workspace info. This will ensure that the positions are moved according to the real position when the data was acquired.

re #7314

Changeset: 1e13f2747a3bb415b69370741393eb1f0ee23a7d

Changed 7 years ago by Gesner Passos

comment:4 Changed 7 years ago by Gesner Passos

After the given commit, the position now is done based on the current workspace information. This solved the issue of calculating the transmission workspace as can be seen at the figure:

Tester: (easier from someone here at ISIS)

In order to reproduce this picture do:

  • Open ISIS Sans interface
  • Select SANS2D instrument
  • Set the searching directories to cycle_13_1
  • Open the Mask at: ndxsans2d/user/Masks/MASKSANS2D_131M_12m_8mm_Adams_using_4m_TRANS.txt
  • Fill the Scattering Sample=18617; Transmission Sample=18617; Transmission Direct=18618
  • Press Load/Reduce1D
  • Rename Workspace::18617_trans_sample_1.75_12.5_unfitted to sample_4m_transmission
  • Change the Scattering Sample=18783
  • Press Reduce1D
  • Rename Workspace::18617_trans_sample_1.75_12.5_unfitted to sample_12m_transmission
  • Select both workspaces and plot with errors.

comment:5 Changed 7 years ago by Gesner Passos

  • Status changed from accepted to verify
  • Resolution set to fixed

comment:6 Changed 7 years ago by Anders Markvardsen

  • Status changed from verify to verifying
  • Tester set to Anders Markvardsen

comment:7 Changed 7 years ago by Anders Markvardsen

  • Status changed from verifying to closed

Steve writes:

Excellent!

I have just tested this fix and it does the job! Thank you.

comment:8 Changed 7 years ago by Nick Draper

  • Component changed from Mantid to Framework

comment:9 Changed 7 years ago by Nick Draper

  • Component changed from Framework to SANS
  • Description modified (diff)

comment:10 Changed 5 years ago by Stuart Campbell

This ticket has been transferred to github issue 8160

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